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Burn-in measured: Honeywell PTM7950 Phase Transition Material examinated and how to recognise a copycat

Comparison with an OEM pad

Generally speaking, the PTM7950 is currently only available with a thickness of 0.25 mm, everything else is not original. However, you can also find offers with 0.2 mm on the usual suspects (AliExpress, eBay, Amazon, etc.). These are usually also PTM pads, but without a clear origin and performance. So you can safely keep your hands off all pads with 0.2 mm if you want the original. As luck would have it, I also have PCM5000 and PCM8500 pads in my drawer of good deeds for my upcoming roundup and I noticed that one of the Ali pads sent to me in PTM7950 guise had various similarities with the PCM8500.

Visually, the colors are not that far apart and if you don’t have the PTM7950 for a direct comparison, you won’t notice any real difference. That’s exactly why I took a microscope picture of the two pads. On the left we see the PTM7950, which has a slightly different grind and apparently a different matrix. You can also tell that it is a different polymer by its consistency. Although the PTM7950 is thicker, it is significantly softer and easier to bend. It is also stickier and tears more quickly, whereas the OEM pad is more likely to break.

Noname OEM Pad
Honeywell PTM7950

 

So let’s take a look at what’s inside. The fillers are relatively similar in proportion, but unfortunately I can’t examine the polymer with my own resources. But even so you can see small but subtle differences, let’s start with the Honeywell PTM7950:

The OEM pad has a slightly higher proportion of polymer, and there is also a slightly higher proportion of zinc oxide in the fillers. The rest looks about the same.

The measurement brings it to light!

The long burn-in cycle at 8.5 Newton and from 25 to 75 °C, on the other hand, is clear. We can first compare the thermal resistance (yellow and red curve) on the left Y-axis. Then add the dotted lines (blue and white) of the layer thickness (BLT) for the right Y-axis:

The whole thing can then be summarized as follows, whereby you can see that the PTM7950 has a significantly larger temperature window for the phase change and at the end also the thinner layer thickness (BLT) and a slightly lower thermal resistance:

  Honeywell PTM7950 Noname OEM Brand
BLT without pressure
250 µm 200 µm
BLT at 25 °C (8.5 N) 106 µm 153 µm
Start burn-in 40 °C, 38 µm BLT 40 °C, 45 µm BLT
Burn-in 45 °C, 18 µm BLT 43 °C, 36 µm BLT
End of burn-in 50 °C, 16 µm BLT 45 °C, 36 µm BLT
Final thermal resistance 0.08961 K/W 0.09494 K/W

Summary and conclusion

The PTM7950 (theoretically) has the ability to shrink to a thickness of up to 16 µm at less than 10 N per cm², i.e. the values that we also find on the graphics card, which is excellent and is in line with the value of more liquid pastes. However, you always have to take into account that the surfaces on the CPU and GPU are not straight and flat, but often curved. The PTM7950 is still quite flexible and should also be able to compensate for certain material expansions of the cooler base. However, the OEM pad shown here is as hard as a board and tears quite quickly.

Not fully converted PTM7950

Where and whether you use these pads is up to you to decide. With a smooth radiator base, good contact pressure and a rather unbent GPU or CPU, the pad can certainly be used well on all types of water cooling systems, which nobody has denied, by the way. However, I also wrote that I wouldn’t do it with the custom loop, but would rather continue to use a viscous paste. A matter of taste. The reasons lie not only in the burn-in, but also in the unpredictable change in layer thickness. 250 µm can quickly become 16 µm and then you have an uncalculated height change in the radiator structure (stopper!). Or you may have got a pad from the Ali shelf that is too brittle and have other problems.

The distance between the heatsink and memory modules also decreases significantly with GPUs and you may have to adjust these pads on the memory in advance so as not to put too much pressure on the memory. Or these pads are too hard and you don’t get enough pressure on the phase change pad. What works on the CPU and an AiO can, with a bit of bad luck, also lead to problems on large water blocks. Once you have filled a custom loop, things get complicated. I just want to point this out, but I don’t want to stand in the way of anyone’s desire to tinker. It will certainly work in most cases, but it doesn’t have to.

As for the replacement pad: it’s not that bad and if the price is right, it would work too. Especially as it would be much easier to apply. But then you have to market it honestly as a PCM8500 and at a lower price (if I’m right) and not as a Honeywell PTM7950. In the end, that really is cheating the customer.

 

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Saschman73

Urgestein

523 Kommentare 324 Likes

Danke für den Test! (y)
Jetzt fehlt nur noch die Bezugsquelle wo man auch ganz bestimmt das PTM7950 bekommt und kein KuckkucksPad.

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Charger93

Neuling

3 Kommentare 5 Likes

Wenn das PTM vom Thermal Grizzly das echte 7950er ist oder eines das genau so gut funktioniert, dann wäre das schon sehr angenehm.
Aber vielleicht weiß Igor da schon etwas?

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Saschman73

Urgestein

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RazielNoir

Veteran

462 Kommentare 224 Likes

Also wenn man ein (CPU-Seitiges) Mittelklassesystem mit einem guten Luftkühler kombiniert, ist mit PTM quasi nach erfolgreichem Burnin ein No-Brainer. Regelmäßig Staub entfernen und gut ist.

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exi78

Veteran

175 Kommentare 93 Likes

Hab diese Bilddatei vor längerem mal gefunden.
Hilft dem ein oder anderen vielleicht etwas weiter.

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RedF

Urgestein

4,935 Kommentare 2,768 Likes

Die Langeweile hat mich getrieben, meine RX7600 Pulse aus meinem mATX Sys neu zu bestücken (günstig auf Ebay bekommen).
Die VRAM Temp war bei bis zu 90° C
Mit dabei Alis Clon PTM7950 0,2mm Honig-Kühlpad

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View image at the forums

Wegen Beschränkung gehts im Nächten Post weiter. -_-

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Besterino

Urgestein

6,954 Kommentare 3,525 Likes

Ich hätte mir noch eine Aussage gewünscht, dass & warum nun sicher ist, dass das jetzt getestete Pad auch wirklich ein Honeywell PTM7950 ist.

Und in diesem Artikel inkl. Titel müsste m.E. überarbeitet und klargestellt werden, dass es sich nicht um das Honeywell Pad gehandelt hat:

Abschließend: die Aussage zur Eignung von Wakü sehe ich anders. Wenn man sich anschaut, welche Probleme man mit Paste haben kann (und da ists ja eine noch größere Thematik, welche man denn am besten nimmt), ist das Pad im Hinblick auf mögliche Fehler und Fehlerquellen m.E. eher ein nobrainer als eine Paste und alle paar Monate im Zweifel wieder neu machen.

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Klicke zum Ausklappem
RedF

Urgestein

4,935 Kommentare 2,768 Likes

Und für den Speicher CX-H13000 (hatte bei Snaksdomain gut abgeschnitten)

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Das Zeug ist von der Konsistenz ähnlich dem Extreme 64 von HWLiebe.

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RedF

Urgestein

4,935 Kommentare 2,768 Likes

Dann noch unter die Backplate (vorher Folien unter dem VRAM entfernen).
Ja, habe mich auf einer Seite geirrt.

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View image at the forums

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RedF

Urgestein

4,935 Kommentare 2,768 Likes

Und das Honig-Pad auf den Kühler.

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VRAM Temp ist im Peak um 8° C gesunken.(von 90° C auf 82° C)

GPU etwa -6° C, GPU Hotspot ist noch nicht so toll (90° C) mal sehen ob da noch was passiert.

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RedF

Urgestein

4,935 Kommentare 2,768 Likes

Delta Edge - Hotspot liegt bei 18° C.

Wird jetzt erstmal mit Friestrike Ultra gestresst.

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DigitalBlizzard

Urgestein

2,711 Kommentare 1,482 Likes

Ist es ;)
das hier ist allerdings kein Honeywell, weder ein Echtes noch ein Falsches, sondern was anderes

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